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	<description>Ryan Jones Blogs About Internet Culture, Marketing, SEO, &#38; Social Media</description>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.dotcult.com/seo-is-not-science#comment-4591</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 22:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan you should consider that for Graywolf those digg and stumbleupon topics might be exactly his targets. You seem to suggest that, in order for Google to value your content within your niche, it needs to appeal to a general internet audience? That seems odd. It also seems counter intuitive... all we&#039;d see ranking are celebrity articles and freakshow stuff. Wait a sec....

Anyway in the niche he plays, his articles are far more quality than typical. He uses original data, makes interesting graphs, comes to conclusions, etc. It&#039;s not multimedia content to describe how to tie a neck tie... but to his audience of marketers, understanding what makes Digg tick is very important (and appreciated by the marketplace audience). I believe he was comparing that content effort to various lesser content forms or even the &quot;Top 10 Signs You&#039;re Not Going to be a Rockstar&quot; stuff that seems to work really well in Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan you should consider that for Graywolf those digg and stumbleupon topics might be exactly his targets. You seem to suggest that, in order for Google to value your content within your niche, it needs to appeal to a general internet audience? That seems odd. It also seems counter intuitive&#8230; all we&#8217;d see ranking are celebrity articles and freakshow stuff. Wait a sec&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anyway in the niche he plays, his articles are far more quality than typical. He uses original data, makes interesting graphs, comes to conclusions, etc. It&#8217;s not multimedia content to describe how to tie a neck tie&#8230; but to his audience of marketers, understanding what makes Digg tick is very important (and appreciated by the marketplace audience). I believe he was comparing that content effort to various lesser content forms or even the &#8220;Top 10 Signs You&#8217;re Not Going to be a Rockstar&#8221; stuff that seems to work really well in Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.dotcult.com/seo-is-not-science#comment-4590</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John.  I have to look at Graywolf&#039;s article with a high degree of skepticism.

If you click over to that website, you&#039;ll find that most of the articles aren&#039;t really &quot;great content&quot; they&#039;re just pandering to digg/stumbleupon users.  They&#039;re all about &#039;what&#039;s the average digg user like?&quot;  and &quot;differences between digg and stumbleupon users.&quot;

Things like that are bound to get a ton of diggs and stumbles, but that doesn&#039;t necessarily make them great content.  The author is assuming that diggs and stumbles mean the content is linkworthy.

I&#039;d argue that outside of Digg/Stumbleupon, and whatever, that average internet users don&#039;t find this content useful or interesting.

I&#039;d also like to see what keywords the person was tracking.  After reading some articles, they only seem optimized for terms like &quot;digg&quot; &quot;stumbleupon&quot; etc.  He&#039;s not going to rank for those terms.

My argument here is that good content still works.  I&#039;ve never had a problem with it on any of my sites.  Perhaps his idea of &quot;good&quot; isn&#039;t as &quot;good&quot; as he thinks it is.  As somebody who rarely uses digg and stumbleupon (i know i know) I didn&#039;t find the content useful at all.

He should focus on writing content for all users, not just digg users.  Sure, it works for gaming digg and getting on the front page, but that&#039;s about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John.  I have to look at Graywolf&#8217;s article with a high degree of skepticism.</p>
<p>If you click over to that website, you&#8217;ll find that most of the articles aren&#8217;t really &#8220;great content&#8221; they&#8217;re just pandering to digg/stumbleupon users.  They&#8217;re all about &#8216;what&#8217;s the average digg user like?&#8221;  and &#8220;differences between digg and stumbleupon users.&#8221;</p>
<p>Things like that are bound to get a ton of diggs and stumbles, but that doesn&#8217;t necessarily make them great content.  The author is assuming that diggs and stumbles mean the content is linkworthy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that outside of Digg/Stumbleupon, and whatever, that average internet users don&#8217;t find this content useful or interesting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to see what keywords the person was tracking.  After reading some articles, they only seem optimized for terms like &#8220;digg&#8221; &#8220;stumbleupon&#8221; etc.  He&#8217;s not going to rank for those terms.</p>
<p>My argument here is that good content still works.  I&#8217;ve never had a problem with it on any of my sites.  Perhaps his idea of &#8220;good&#8221; isn&#8217;t as &#8220;good&#8221; as he thinks it is.  As somebody who rarely uses digg and stumbleupon (i know i know) I didn&#8217;t find the content useful at all.</p>
<p>He should focus on writing content for all users, not just digg users.  Sure, it works for gaming digg and getting on the front page, but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.dotcult.com/seo-is-not-science#comment-4576</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alexander (TheSoundOfGlass.com), dreaming of kindness and happiness doesn&#039;t make the bad guys go away. Check out http://www.wolf-howl.com/seo/i-listened-to-google-and-failed/ for just ONE example of a skilled/knowledgeable web individual showing how Google&#039;s rule over the web economy and Google&#039;s Let&#039;s All Dance Like Happy Unicorns PR efforts re: &quot;just make good content&quot; are simply not true. Also from 2008 http://www.johnon.com/622/seo-pricing.html

You can dream of a world where making good content keeps every happy and Good Content makes for a better web, but what you&#039;re really doing is asking everyone to volunteer their time and effort to cleanup the mess Google has made (and keeps making) on the way to the bank. 

Billions and billions in profits put into individual bank accounts of Google shareholders (Google employees), at the expense of a polluted web, and you want us all to fix it by writing good content for free (or next to nothing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alexander (TheSoundOfGlass.com), dreaming of kindness and happiness doesn&#8217;t make the bad guys go away. Check out <a href="http://www.wolf-howl.com/seo/i-listened-to-google-and-failed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wolf-howl.com/seo/i-listened-to-google-and-failed/</a> for just ONE example of a skilled/knowledgeable web individual showing how Google&#8217;s rule over the web economy and Google&#8217;s Let&#8217;s All Dance Like Happy Unicorns PR efforts re: &#8220;just make good content&#8221; are simply not true. Also from 2008 <a href="http://www.johnon.com/622/seo-pricing.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnon.com/622/seo-pricing.html</a></p>
<p>You can dream of a world where making good content keeps every happy and Good Content makes for a better web, but what you&#8217;re really doing is asking everyone to volunteer their time and effort to cleanup the mess Google has made (and keeps making) on the way to the bank. </p>
<p>Billions and billions in profits put into individual bank accounts of Google shareholders (Google employees), at the expense of a polluted web, and you want us all to fix it by writing good content for free (or next to nothing).</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.dotcult.com/seo-is-not-science#comment-4574</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://teddziuba.com/2010/06/seo-is-mostly-quack-science.html</description>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.dotcult.com/seo-is-not-science#comment-4573</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 09:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that if people concentrated on creating valid, relevant websites full of useful content rather than trying to second guess search algorithms, the internet would be a much better place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if people concentrated on creating valid, relevant websites full of useful content rather than trying to second guess search algorithms, the internet would be a much better place.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.dotcult.com/seo-is-not-science#comment-4532</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 04:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right in one aspect.  I do dedicate most of my time to making money, and I do pretty well.

I&quot;m talking about the seo industry as a whole here, and what steps need to be taken to rise above the &quot;bad wrap&quot; that seems to follow SEO.

That, and the differences between our methods and a scientific method.  Blind retweets is just one example of non-scientific parts of SEO.

Just don&#039;t want anybody to confuse it with jealousy or spite - it&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right in one aspect.  I do dedicate most of my time to making money, and I do pretty well.</p>
<p>I&#8221;m talking about the seo industry as a whole here, and what steps need to be taken to rise above the &#8220;bad wrap&#8221; that seems to follow SEO.</p>
<p>That, and the differences between our methods and a scientific method.  Blind retweets is just one example of non-scientific parts of SEO.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t want anybody to confuse it with jealousy or spite &#8211; it&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Barone</title>
		<link>http://www.dotcult.com/seo-is-not-science#comment-4531</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Barone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 04:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can spend your time worrying about whose blindly vouching for whom and who deserves the attention...or you can spend your time on something that makes you money. 

What do you care if someone retweets something without reading it? Does that affect your day or business? I hope it doesn&#039;t.  Focus on something that does. The rest is marketing and bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can spend your time worrying about whose blindly vouching for whom and who deserves the attention&#8230;or you can spend your time on something that makes you money. </p>
<p>What do you care if someone retweets something without reading it? Does that affect your day or business? I hope it doesn&#8217;t.  Focus on something that does. The rest is marketing and bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.dotcult.com/seo-is-not-science#comment-4530</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 04:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa. 

First, you said &quot;than&quot; when you meant &quot;then&quot;  #grammarNazi

2nd, I&#039;m not arguing that you don&#039;t deserve the attention.  You write quality posts and do know your shit.

What I&#039;m talking about are the people who &quot;vouch&quot; for you simply based on your name, without actually reading what you&#039;re saying.

I mean, let&#039;s face it, I&#039;ve fucked up in the past, and I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve made mistakes too.  All I&#039;m asking is that people at least take the time to read what you&#039;re saying before they say &quot;hey, this is good shit.&quot;

There&#039;s nothing wrong with people forming their own opinion, not just retweeting everything anybody famous posts as an attempt to give them a virtual hand job.  (ok, i&#039;ve been drinking)

Unfortunately, many people believe stuff simply because somebody said it without taking the ideas on their merits.

I wish more people would take the time to actually read stuff, think about it critically, and form their own opinion before believing it as the gospel truth.

Usually, you can be trusted to know your shit, but the scientific approach involves scrutinizing it, not just believing it because you said so.  That sounds more like religion than science to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa. </p>
<p>First, you said &#8220;than&#8221; when you meant &#8220;then&#8221;  #grammarNazi</p>
<p>2nd, I&#8217;m not arguing that you don&#8217;t deserve the attention.  You write quality posts and do know your shit.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m talking about are the people who &#8220;vouch&#8221; for you simply based on your name, without actually reading what you&#8217;re saying.</p>
<p>I mean, let&#8217;s face it, I&#8217;ve fucked up in the past, and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve made mistakes too.  All I&#8217;m asking is that people at least take the time to read what you&#8217;re saying before they say &#8220;hey, this is good shit.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with people forming their own opinion, not just retweeting everything anybody famous posts as an attempt to give them a virtual hand job.  (ok, i&#8217;ve been drinking)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, many people believe stuff simply because somebody said it without taking the ideas on their merits.</p>
<p>I wish more people would take the time to actually read stuff, think about it critically, and form their own opinion before believing it as the gospel truth.</p>
<p>Usually, you can be trusted to know your shit, but the scientific approach involves scrutinizing it, not just believing it because you said so.  That sounds more like religion than science to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Barone</title>
		<link>http://www.dotcult.com/seo-is-not-science#comment-4529</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Barone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 02:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a post I write gets more retweets than someone else writing the same post, than clearly I&#039;ve branded myself as someone worth listening to and who knows their shit on a given topic.  Which, is my job.  If you want the same attention (as anyone, not me. lots of people rightly receive way more attention than I do), than you need to earn the same reputation.   I make no apologies for being able to use the brand that I put in the time to build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a post I write gets more retweets than someone else writing the same post, than clearly I&#8217;ve branded myself as someone worth listening to and who knows their shit on a given topic.  Which, is my job.  If you want the same attention (as anyone, not me. lots of people rightly receive way more attention than I do), than you need to earn the same reputation.   I make no apologies for being able to use the brand that I put in the time to build.</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.dotcult.com/seo-is-not-science#comment-4528</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Ryan. I love to see more &quot;here&#039;s what I did, here&#039;s what I saw&quot; posts and less claims, but it&#039;s still okay to make claims... just a good idea to keep the two separate. 

It gets political, too. If you make claims and show data in one post, some people will be inhibited by your rock star status and NOT comment, even though they have value to add. If you simply reported findings, they&#039;d comment. That&#039;s why I think it&#039;s best to report findings objectively, and then report claims in a separate post... to keep the conversations productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Ryan. I love to see more &#8220;here&#8217;s what I did, here&#8217;s what I saw&#8221; posts and less claims, but it&#8217;s still okay to make claims&#8230; just a good idea to keep the two separate. </p>
<p>It gets political, too. If you make claims and show data in one post, some people will be inhibited by your rock star status and NOT comment, even though they have value to add. If you simply reported findings, they&#8217;d comment. That&#8217;s why I think it&#8217;s best to report findings objectively, and then report claims in a separate post&#8230; to keep the conversations productive.</p>
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